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RIP XGL
by cyberorg, Saturday, July 26th, 2008 @ 10:53 pm

The X server technology that gave us Compiz, resulting possibly in inspiration of KDE4’s kwin effects - Xgl is no more. Xgl will also not be shipped on openSUSE 11.1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11.

Xgl image by jimmac

So what would be in openSUSE 11.1 instead? AIGLX along with DRI2 will provide framework for the next generation of composite desktop effects. Nvidia drivers do not need either Xgl or AIGLX, now that Matthias Hopf’s hand is almost fixed, hopefully we will have open source ATI radeonhd drivers with 3D capability in time for 11.0 :)



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  1. : Livio, July 26, 2008 @ 11:34 pm

    Just give me good ATI-based card ^^ .

  2. : Miguel de Icaza, July 27, 2008 @ 12:19 am

    Well, that is a shame, because the driver-based support is abysmally slow for various Cairo operations.

    Sometimes Xgl is the only solution to performance problems.

  3. : karsten, July 27, 2008 @ 1:57 am

    what about david revemen and his idea about a more direct opengl baased framebuffer? is he still working on it? i think dropping the xgl source on the community was a bad idea, though techhnicaly it was pretty good

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  5. : reaple, July 27, 2008 @ 2:56 pm

    > Just give me good ATI-based card ^^

    Ati fglrx drivers and open ones are ways better than nvidia crap. It looks like nvidia (and their customers) has big troubles with their drivers. They don’t provide acceleration for many of XRENDER functions (so, KDE4 is almost unusable for many users), Firefox is very slow etc. (just look at their forum). I also noticed that 3D performance is being worst from version to version. Unhappy nvidia customer…

  6. : Kevin Lange, July 27, 2008 @ 7:43 pm

    Good riddance?
    XGL gave most users nothing but problems.
    Viva la AiGLX.

    @reaple: Yes, nVidia drivers suck. You should see what happens with them on my old GeForce2 board.

  7. : cybeborg, July 27, 2008 @ 8:43 pm

    @ reaple

    ati better than nvidia. you must be on crap…

  8. : Kevin Lange, July 27, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

    @cybeborg: (type-o’d your name or something?) The -ati drivers are great, far more stable than the official nVidia drivers. Can’t say anything about the ATI drivers, though. Intel ftw.

  9. : Kevin R, July 28, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

    The official ATI drivers are terrible. Yeah, they implemented AIGLX about a year ago, but it still causes flickering with OpenGL apps open.

    I’ve not tried the xf86-video-ati driver, but from what I have been able to gather it’s not quite up to snuff, even for gaming.

    Honestly, I’d still take an nVidia card over my Radeon Mobility X1400.

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  12. : omniuni, May 7, 2009 @ 6:11 am

    Actually, the ATi proprietary drivers are now very good. GL apps flicker, yes, but that is because of limitations in DRI. Newer versions of DRI will fix this. By sticking with standard X calls, and not creating strange patches, like nVidia has done, AMD has kept the fglrx driver much more stable than the nVidia ones. The open source ATi drivers are also quickly improving, especially with radeonHD on the way. I am very glad my new computer has an ATi card in it, because soon I will be using it with Open drivers, and not proprietary ones, and I actually have a good graphics card; e.g. not Intel. And thank you AMD for supporting the Open Source community, not just doing things on your own and leaving the poor X.org developers out of the loop! Wouldn’t it be nice if nVidia actually contributed their patch that keeps open GL apps from flickering when compositing is on so we could all use it?


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