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	<title>Comments on: RIP XGL</title>
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	<description>openSUSE, Compiz and allied things</description>
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		<title>By: omniuni</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-5779</link>
		<dc:creator>omniuni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the ATi proprietary drivers are now very good. GL apps flicker, yes, but that is because of limitations in DRI. Newer versions of DRI will fix this. By sticking with standard X calls, and not creating strange patches, like nVidia has done, AMD has kept the fglrx driver much more stable than the nVidia ones. The open source ATi drivers are also quickly improving, especially with radeonHD on the way. I am very glad my new computer has an ATi card in it, because soon I will be using it with Open drivers, and not proprietary ones, and I actually have a good graphics card; e.g. not Intel. And thank you AMD for supporting the Open Source community, not just doing things on your own and leaving the poor X.org developers out of the loop! Wouldn't it be nice if nVidia actually contributed their patch that keeps open GL apps from flickering when compositing is on so we could all use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the ATi proprietary drivers are now very good. GL apps flicker, yes, but that is because of limitations in DRI. Newer versions of DRI will fix this. By sticking with standard X calls, and not creating strange patches, like nVidia has done, AMD has kept the fglrx driver much more stable than the nVidia ones. The open source ATi drivers are also quickly improving, especially with radeonHD on the way. I am very glad my new computer has an ATi card in it, because soon I will be using it with Open drivers, and not proprietary ones, and I actually have a good graphics card; e.g. not Intel. And thank you AMD for supporting the Open Source community, not just doing things on your own and leaving the poor X.org developers out of the loop! Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if nVidia actually contributed their patch that keeps open GL apps from flickering when compositing is on so we could all use it?</p>
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		<title>By: A morte do XGL &#171; openSUSE in pt_BR!</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>A morte do XGL &#171; openSUSE in pt_BR!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] o blog do Cyberorg,  a tecnologia de servidor X que fez possível o surgimento do Compiz e serviu de inspiração [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] o blog do Cyberorg,  a tecnologia de servidor X que fez possível o surgimento do Compiz e serviu de inspiração [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SearchRoads &#187; scooby doo movies RIP XGL</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator>SearchRoads &#187; scooby doo movies RIP XGL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more. Xgl will also not be shipped on openSUSE 11.1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11. naughty scooby dooread more &#124; digg [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more. Xgl will also not be shipped on openSUSE 11.1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11. naughty scooby dooread more | digg [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin R</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The official ATI drivers are terrible. Yeah, they implemented AIGLX about a year ago, but it still causes flickering with OpenGL apps open.

I've not tried the xf86-video-ati driver, but from what I have been able to gather it's not quite up to snuff, even for gaming.

Honestly, I'd still take an nVidia card over my Radeon Mobility X1400.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The official ATI drivers are terrible. Yeah, they implemented AIGLX about a year ago, but it still causes flickering with OpenGL apps open.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not tried the xf86-video-ati driver, but from what I have been able to gather it&#8217;s not quite up to snuff, even for gaming.</p>
<p>Honestly, I&#8217;d still take an nVidia card over my Radeon Mobility X1400.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lange</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3506</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cybeborg: (type-o'd your name or something?) The -ati drivers are great, far more stable than the official nVidia drivers. Can't say anything about the ATI drivers, though. Intel ftw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cybeborg: (type-o&#8217;d your name or something?) The -ati drivers are great, far more stable than the official nVidia drivers. Can&#8217;t say anything about the ATI drivers, though. Intel ftw.</p>
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		<title>By: cybeborg</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3505</link>
		<dc:creator>cybeborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ reaple

ati better than nvidia. you must be on crap...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ reaple</p>
<p>ati better than nvidia. you must be on crap&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lange</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3504</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Lange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good riddance?
XGL gave most users nothing but problems.
Viva la AiGLX.

@reaple: Yes, nVidia drivers suck. You should see what happens with them on my old GeForce2 board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good riddance?<br />
XGL gave most users nothing but problems.<br />
Viva la AiGLX.</p>
<p>@reaple: Yes, nVidia drivers suck. You should see what happens with them on my old GeForce2 board.</p>
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		<title>By: reaple</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3503</link>
		<dc:creator>reaple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Just give me good ATI-based card ^^

Ati fglrx drivers and open ones are ways better than nvidia crap. It looks like nvidia (and their customers) has big troubles with their drivers. They don't provide acceleration for many of XRENDER functions (so, KDE4 is almost unusable for many users), Firefox is very slow etc. (just look at their forum). I also noticed that 3D performance is being worst from version to version. Unhappy nvidia customer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Just give me good ATI-based card ^^</p>
<p>Ati fglrx drivers and open ones are ways better than nvidia crap. It looks like nvidia (and their customers) has big troubles with their drivers. They don&#8217;t provide acceleration for many of XRENDER functions (so, KDE4 is almost unusable for many users), Firefox is very slow etc. (just look at their forum). I also noticed that 3D performance is being worst from version to version. Unhappy nvidia customer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ???? ??? Xgl ?????? &#171; Black X</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3502</link>
		<dc:creator>???? ??? Xgl ?????? &#171; Black X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ?????? ?? ????????? ?? ??? ??????? ???????? ?????? ???....        &#171; ???? ????? ?? ??????? Adium ???? ????????? ?? ???&#160;offline [...]</description>
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		<title>By: karsten</title>
		<link>http://dev.compiz.org/~cyberorg/2008/07/26/rip-xgl/#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>karsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about david revemen and his idea about a more direct opengl baased framebuffer? is he still working on it? i think dropping the xgl source on the community was a bad idea, though techhnicaly it was pretty good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about david revemen and his idea about a more direct opengl baased framebuffer? is he still working on it? i think dropping the xgl source on the community was a bad idea, though techhnicaly it was pretty good</p>
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